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Testid123:If E1 Elite‎ or anyone else tries to delete my useful data without my consent, I will give them a turbulent experience.

But you shouldn't damage the page

... like your last edit.

If you want to paste that part, use the format below instead of HTML, which can't display correctly on the page.

22 March 2025

- DeathFish

Don't let them try to delete my data again. 

- Testid123

Then you've approached the wrong person. I'm not a site admin; I'm just someone who enjoys sharing observations.

If I could restrict users from editing pages, I'd first delete those bot - generated ad pages.

Your disputes with others are your own business, please do not damage public resources. 

- DeathFish 20250322(+8)

Regarding the Ban

@Ren Hmm. Probably during the lull in G-E's conflict with Testid123, I tried reverting three pages back to their original positions. You assumed I was involved in the edit war and demanded I explain myself on Matrix and the forums. How disheartening.

And you only blocked a few of the advertising bots and even forgot to delete the bots' main pages, sigh! I hope you takes another look these coming days, preferably checking the Pull Requests in the Ares-docs repository too.

Furthermore, as an administrator of a part of C&C modding community that has existed since the game's initial release, let me kindly remind you: If you, DCoder, Nighthawk200, and Gordon-creAtive’s combined efforts only occasionally glance at this site, the root issues remain unresolved. This means incidents like this will keep happening. At the very least, someone with page protection and user banning rights needs to stay active. Meanwhile, during the days you’ve been unreachable, ModEnc² and RA2DIY-Wiki has already launched. If ModEnc’s management continues to falter, the original ModEnc may be abandoned - After months of relentless page wars and spam bombardment, there's now hardly anyone left but me and a few other editor desperately clinging to ModEnc.

~ DeathFish (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Let me start by saying that this message took several hours from start to finish, because I was occupied by a similar debate on Matrix. So I'm not quite seeing the point there. Though by way of editing conflict, that part is gone now anyway.
More importantly, however: I didn't demand anything. It was a Can, not a Must. It was an offer to talk it through and to listen to your concerns. If you're not interested: That's fine. The ban will lift automatically on Monday.
Secondly: I spent six hours up until four in the morning on a work night to unfuck the most obvious things and to minimize the chance it would re-fuck itself until I was back. So yeah: I put anyone related in timeout, regardless of guilt, precisely to have the option to make a more informed decision later. As part of that reconsideration, I have already permanently banned Testid123. As of right now, I have seen no reason why that should be the case for you.
As for your last paragraph: People just spent hours arguing the opposite at me, and I really don't see the compelling argument in "you should invest more in a place everybody else left".
I am sure after the conversation today, people on Discord will debate how to continue on the subject matter.
Maybe once that is over and the timeouts end on Monday, we can have an effective conversation on what should and what can happen.
And if that ends with everybody leaving...well then you don't have to worry about it anyway.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 22:59, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
Indeed, if people are no longer using it, there is no need for concern. After all, it is your website, and your perspective deserves respect. At present, it appears you lack both the energy and motivation to manage it, as if you have nearly abandoned it. Of course, as long as you are willing to proceed in this manner, others cannot alter the situation.
Best of luck.
~ DeathFish (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
To look at a site that has been up for more than two decades and has seen enough care to that the software isn't even out of support yet, and to conclude that it's clearly abandoned is...an interesting interpretation.
The reality is: We are talking. Right here. Right now. And so far, no one has been able to show that anyone but Testid123 tried to contact me similarly in the past year.
So as much as a handful of people may try to paint a picture of great abandonment, as far as I'm concerned, ModEnc had a single issue that people contacted me about in the past month: The host knocked it offline the day before yesterday. D told me about in the morning, I looked at it after work and corrected the issue. That's a turnaround of less than a day. And I went beyond restoring site functionality and actually cleaned up content issues and banned Testid.
Same-day reaction and more service than asked for, from someone who isn't earning a single cent from it. What more do you want?
As much as a certain Discord channnel may cling to the legend of the uncontactable, the reality is that the past two days, including this very conversation right now, are undeniable proof that I'm quite contactable and quite willing to spend hours of my spare time to care for the site.
The problem isn't that I'm not there. The problem is that in reality, no one tried to contact me. And rather than just acknowledging that and trying to find a better way, people are trying to hide it by pretending that it's somehow my fault that a lack of contact somehow didn't lead to contact, and that I didn't know about things no one told me about.
Case in point: Even right here, yesterday, you bemoaned And you only blocked a few of the advertising bots and even forgot to delete the bots' main pages.
I have 500 items on recent changes and the only spam I can spot on a glance is something Doomguy already took care of.
You want me to do more?
Then fucking name it.
If you were able to check that the pages and bots are still there, you clearly must have a list of sorts.
How hard can it be to just say "by the way, you missed these: ..."?
Once again, you're just sitting here, expecting me to magically, telepathically know what you want.
I have a time window for the next few hours and another one on Sunday.
You want pages deleted? Point at them.
But don't complain that I'm not reading your mind.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 16:14, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
good, I have no further requests. I just hope you can handle those pages. Here is their list:
User:NapoleonQfm
User:Madeleine66E
User:MariamPerrone32
User:CierraFinn2977
User:LienWaldon475
User:CierraFinn2977
There are also some other pages that should be deleted:
NoUseLandTileType
However, this part is already in the del list, so I don't think there's a need to create another list.
I just meant that if you rarely came online, it would make me feel like the site was abandoned. But based on recent activity, that's clearly not the case, and I'm glad to see you maintaining the site again.
Initially, I planned to send you a notification by editing the User:Talk page interface. However, before I could do so, someone else contacted you through alternative channels, so I felt reassured to wait, assuming you'd return soon. Of course, if you want me to provide proof, but you claim not to have received it, then there's nothing I can substantiate.
Could you review the Pull Requests in the Ares documentation repository on GitHub when convenient?
Both the wiki and repository were always meant to be hobby projects. I wouldn't frame this as your obligation - As long as the website functions properly, that's sufficient for me.
I wouldn't have gotten involved at all, except for the edit wars that damaged three pages (which kept bombarding my RSS reader), and Testid123 threatening me on my Talk page during previous minor edit conflicts. My only prior interaction was leaving suggestions on their Talk page.
Additionally, would you mind deleting my User page? With the situation stabilized, the backup site becomes unnecessary. Please excuse my inability to tag it with {{del}} myself due to the temporary block.
If you're still modding Yuri's Revenge or Tiberian Sun, many interesting new developments have emerged in recent years, such as Phobos, which I think could be useful to you. That is, of course, if you're still sticking with this aging game that's on its last legs.
~ DeathFish (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
FYI, you have one duplicate on that list and of the remaining five, two were already banned. I have banned the other three. I did not see any pages they had created that still existed.
I do like how well the cases were prepared/documented, though. Very good work!
I have added/fixed some measures that should reduce the amount of spam, but just in case: Would you want moderator/riot control permissions?
I've also deleted the remaining pages on the deletion list - which I had left untouched before because they weren't obvious spam and I wanted to review before nuking them.
As for the Ares docs thing...that's a bit of a touchy subject. Alex took the whole thing private and he never -afaik- really edited the docs the way they were meant to be edited. The repo is wildly out of sync with whatever he's doing. So yes, I have the power to do that, but doing so might cause merge conflicts on his end.
As unfortunate as it is, you really should hunt Alex for Ares stuff. At least as long as the repos aren't current.
Finally, I would hesitate to just delete user pages randomly, but I have unbanned you anyway - so do whatever you deem necessary.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 19:15, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
Oh, that duplicate entry was actually an error I introduced when cross-checking my contribution records after finalizing the list, haha.
Originally, I used that approach to avoid disturbing you - leaving the list visible when you banned users and checked User pages, so you could handle those spam pages accordingly. But since you prioritized using the del list for verification, the order wasn't followed. Anyway, what matters is the issue got resolved.
Regarding permissions: Absolutely, I can help monitor and protect pages when necessary. But the core work of your website still depends on your own. You're still the one who has to do the main. :P
Those spam pages in the del list mostly resulted from multiple pages being created for the same statement. The exception was NoUseLandTileType - a misspelled statement that doesn't actually exist in gamemd.exe.
About the Ares documentation: I anticipated this outcome. When trying to fully translate the docs based on .rst files, I noticed discrepancies with the HTML versions. I ended up reconstructing the missing rst content in my forked repo by cross-referencing txt and HTML files. It seems Alex maintains a private branch that he occasionally syncs with the public repo. At that time, I even developed an inferred synchronization model using commit timestamps from both Launchpad and the repository. Anyway, this suggests the github.io Ares docs aren't auto-synced with repo changes (my forked repo using Sphinx and ReadTheDocs works this way), so even merging those Pull Requests wouldn't immediately update the official documentation anyway.
~ DeathFish (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

Merging methodology of for numbered pages?

Hi.
Looking at ATHSE's deletion of your previously-redirected numbered pages before, I noticed that you didn't actually merge the contents of the pages.

This is how it originally was:

Page Origin Context
Side MAPS1.doc Country-sections in map files.
Side I RA2.doc [MultiPlayer]-section in RA2.ini.
Side II RULES2.doc Country-sections in rules.ini.

Now all that is left is Side, unchanged in its raw import format, with no indicator that the flag can be used in three different files in three different contexts.
Clearly there has been absolutely no merge at all, and yet, you've taken down the information (by redirecting the other pages) and ATHSE went as far as deleting the pages.

Is that all you've done with the other pages, too?
Did you just remove all the numbered pages without any merge?

~ Renegade (SysOp) 12:31, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
I conducted a brief check, but "Side" appeared unusual because I hadn't encountered that page initially. After addressing other pages, the summary page later notified me that subpages under "Side" still existed. I will now examine its content in the XML and integrate it into the "Side" page.
~ DeathFish (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
I am noticing the same issue on Shroud.
The [Powerups] application of Shroud I is just gone.
Did you or did you not actively ensure that the entirety of the relevant information of a numbered page is moved into the parent page such that the parent page reflects the applicability in multiple different ways?
I'm gonna need a very clear answer here - because if you didn't, I'll have to spend the next few hours undoing hundreds of redirects.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 12:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
I did not complete a full check. Such as that the content from CD_I already exists in CD. However, it's clear this synchronization hasn't been completed across all pages. Should these be rolled back? The original pages still remain intact. I can manually conduct a thorough review again. The remaining pages have not been created.
~ DeathFish (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

To-do: Page Merge

@Ren Well, it seems there's been a major hiccup with the page merge issue. How should I proceed next?

~ DeathFish (talk) 13:02, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
I have created User:Renegade/Guide Homonyms and User:Renegade/DeeZire Guide Import Pages 2006-05-05 as checklists for a continued effort to restore what was lost and to make sure the imported pages are either properly converted or properly marked.
If I find the time, I may auto-categorize changes after a certain cut-off date to reduce the number of pages to be reviewed, but this has already cost another afternoon and I don't have infinite time.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 17:14, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
I will conduct a review of these pages in the near future, and I have already downloaded the full set of Word documents from DeeZire Tutorial.
However, processing the content that lacks clear categorization on the original pages may require additional time.
Hmm, or would you prefer to handle these pages yourself? Would you like me to step back?
~ DeathFish (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
Well, it is a job that should've happened in 2007, when everybody had a copy of The Guide and there were hundreds of people reading it daily.
I'm already investing hours in administration I didn't budget for this month. If I have to do it, it's not gonna be done before 2035.
It's your spare time. You don't have to do anything. I'm just pointing out that the way it was done recently is not the proper way and somebody will have to redo it properly.
That can be you today, or somebody else next year, or me next decade.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 19:04, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
This issue and the incorrect dedeezire approach have clearly been long-standing problems over the years, and it's actually good that they are now being exposed.
I'm willing to devote time to this; it's not something anyone has assigned to me, I won't charge you a single penny for this(heh). Additionally, ModEnc truly needs this kind of thorough review.
However, should you consider implementing some editing restrictions or notifications on the flagged pages to prevent people from unknowingly repeating incorrect operations?
~ DeathFish (talk) 19:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
That is entirely a matter of how you define "long-standing". All the old dedees that I checked seemed fine.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 18:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
I'm referring to the years. This error handling approach has been present for several years, and you yourself acknowledged that Whatever you consider the motivating factor, apparently it has become en vogue to simply remove the marker instead of doing an actual conversion.
Of course, the initial work done by you( such as Nighthawk) was indeed commendable. When you only told me As long as the page contains any text lifted from The Guide, the page has not been fully converted it was precisely through those submissions that I came to understand the standards.
~ DeathFish (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
Like I said: It's entirely a matter of how you define "long-standing". For a site with two decades of history, even a few years wouldn't necessarily be a long time.
And that's not even taking into account that "time stored" and "time read" are two very different metrics. Just because somebody stored a revision three years ago doesn't mean anybody's read it yet.
~ Renegade (SysOp) 20:49, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
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