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== Standard Usage == | == Standard Usage == | ||
The ammo-system in RA2 and YR is mainly used for aircraft, and has therefore been re-coded to best fit this purpose; on one hand, this means that using ammo on non-[[AircraftTypes]] is often buggy, in the sense that not all flags work or have the desired effect. | The ammo-system in RA2 and YR is mainly used for aircraft, and has therefore been re-coded to best fit this purpose; on one hand, this means that using ammo on non-[[AircraftTypes]] is often buggy, in the sense that not all flags work or have the desired effect. This also means AircraftTypes require a declaration of <tt>Ammo=</tt> to work properly, and this number must be either -1 (for unlimited ammunition) or an integer greater than 0. | ||
In addition, <tt>Ammo</tt> can be used to limit the number of times a Tech Building can deliver it's effect, meaning that a structure with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and {{f|Ammo|20|link}} could only promote infantry 20 times before becoming useless. This only applies to structures with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and/or {{f|Hospital|yes|link}}. | In addition, <tt>Ammo</tt> can be used to limit the number of times a Tech Building can deliver it's effect, meaning that a structure with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and {{f|Ammo|20|link}} could only promote infantry 20 times before becoming useless. This only applies to structures with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and/or {{f|Hospital|yes|link}}. | ||
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==Ammo on Vehicles== | ==Ammo on Vehicles== | ||
Ammo and auto-reloading on VehicleTypes works perfectly, but manual reloading does not work without AI issues | |||
=== In Tiberian Sun === | |||
Ammo works on [[VehicleTypes|vehicles]], but auto-reloading only works on units with {{f|NoMovingFire|yes|link}} ''and'' only when they are standing still. Furthermore, the time it takes to reload one ammo pip is hardcoded to 450 [[frames]]. | |||
Manual reloading is possible via {{f|ManualReload|link}}. | |||
=== In Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge === | |||
Ammo and auto-reloading on VehicleTypes works perfectly, but manual reloading does not work without AI issues. | |||
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'''Allied General''' - Manual reloading shouldn't work with vehicles anyhow. The Manual Reload tag is probably a obsolete tag for the RA1 Minelayer. Also for a bit of trivia when the Aegis was intially being tested, it was going to use a ammo system hence the introduction of certain tags which are never used by RA2 aircraft.--> | '''Allied General''' - Manual reloading shouldn't work with vehicles anyhow. The Manual Reload tag is probably a obsolete tag for the RA1 Minelayer. Also for a bit of trivia when the Aegis was intially being tested, it was going to use a ammo system hence the introduction of certain tags which are never used by RA2 aircraft.--> | ||
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==Ammo on Buildings== | ==Ammo on Buildings== | ||
=== In Red Alert and Tiberian Sun === | |||
Buildings with a [[Primary|weapon]] and Ammo fire all shots immediately, ignoring {{f|ROF|link}} between shots. Once all ammo has been expended, the building will fully reload instantly, however the building will wait for the duration of the weapon's {{f|ROF|link}} before firing again. {{f|Reload|link}}, if specified, is ignored. | |||
=== In Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge === | |||
Ammo on buildings is rather useless. While it does work, and even reloads, it simply reloads to full ammo as soon as it is out of rounds, meaning that it makes no difference if ammo is defined or not. Your structure won't even stop shooting while reloading.<br> | Ammo on buildings is rather useless. While it does work, and even reloads, it simply reloads to full ammo as soon as it is out of rounds, meaning that it makes no difference if ammo is defined or not. Your structure won't even stop shooting while reloading.<br> | ||
In addition, if a building with ammo is used to force-fire somewhere, the {{f|ROF|link}} will be ignored, turning the structure's armament into a rapidly firing weapon. | In addition, if a building with ammo is used to force-fire somewhere, the {{f|ROF|link}} will be ignored, turning the structure's armament into a rapidly firing weapon. | ||
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Also note that Ammo is shared with between the structure's weapon, and any applicable Tech Building function. For example, if you have {{f|Ammo|5|link}} on a structure with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and a {{f|Primary|link}} weapon, you could perform 5 infantry promotions, or fire 5 rounds, or any combination of the two that totals up to 5. | Also note that Ammo is shared with between the structure's weapon, and any applicable Tech Building function. For example, if you have {{f|Ammo|5|link}} on a structure with {{f|Armory|yes|link}} and a {{f|Primary|link}} weapon, you could perform 5 infantry promotions, or fire 5 rounds, or any combination of the two that totals up to 5. | ||
==Fixes in Ares== | |||
Version 0.1 of Ares fixes the Ammo logic for InfantryTypes and BuildingTypes; on the latter, Ammo is only reloaded if neither {{f|Armory|link}} nor {{f|Hospital|yes|link}}. No change was made on VehicleTypes and AircraftTypes (latter are still hardcoded to require manual reloading). | |||
={{Bugs}}= | |||
*Tag <u><b><font style="color:blue">Ammo+[[Reload]]+[[EmptyReload]]</font></b></u>That affects <u><b>[[ROF]]</b></u> of the weapon. (some weapons only) | |||
<b>[LTNK]</b> | |||
<b>Primary=PrismShot</b> | |||
<b>Secondary=DiskLaser</b> | |||
<b>Ammo=1</b> | |||
<b>Reload=1</b> | |||
<b>EmptyReload=180</b> | |||
Although <u><b><font style="color:blue">PrismShot</font></b></u> | |||
There will be<u><b>{{f|ROF|1|Link}}</b></u> | |||
But attack speed will not increase at all. | |||
But if <u><b><font style="color:blue">Ammo=x</font></b></u> The first attack will only last so long. | |||
<u><b><font style="color:blue">[Ammo=10</font><font style="color:black">(The first attack will be consecutive 10 times.)</font><font style="color:blue">]</font></b></u> | |||
==See also== | ==See also== | ||
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*[http://www.deezire.net/forums/red-alert-2-yuris-revenge-editing/7165-infantry-ammo-research.html Thread on DeeZire.net regarding Infantry and Ammo] | *[http://www.deezire.net/forums/red-alert-2-yuris-revenge-editing/7165-infantry-ammo-research.html Thread on DeeZire.net regarding Infantry and Ammo] |
Latest revision as of 08:18, 30 June 2024
Flag: | Ammo |
File(s): | rules(md).ini |
Values: | Unsigned integers: All non-negative whole numbers from 0 to either 32767, 2147483647 or 4294967295. |
Special Values: | -1 (see below) |
Default: | -1 |
Applicable to: | TechnoTypes:
AircraftTypes, BuildingTypes, InfantryTypes and VehicleTypes (see respective notes below) |
This flag essentially controls exactly what it is named after: The "number of rounds carried between reloads", i.e. how many shots the object has before it needs to be/gets reloaded.
Special Values
The only special value is -1, which means "unlimited ammo". This is also the default value for the flag.
Standard Usage
The ammo-system in RA2 and YR is mainly used for aircraft, and has therefore been re-coded to best fit this purpose; on one hand, this means that using ammo on non-AircraftTypes is often buggy, in the sense that not all flags work or have the desired effect. This also means AircraftTypes require a declaration of Ammo= to work properly, and this number must be either -1 (for unlimited ammunition) or an integer greater than 0.
In addition, Ammo can be used to limit the number of times a Tech Building can deliver it's effect, meaning that a structure with Armory=yes and Ammo=20 could only promote infantry 20 times before becoming useless. This only applies to structures with Armory=yes and/or Hospital=yes.
The System in Detail
The ammo and reloading system is controlled by several INI flags:
- Ammo, which controls the maximum amount of rounds a unit can carry.
- InitialAmmo, which controls with how much ammo the unit will contain upon construction or spawning.
- Reload, which controls the time delay between reloading a certain amount of ammo; is no other specification given, it simply reloads to full ammo straight away.
- ReloadIncrement can be used to speed up (or slow down) the rate at which a unit will reload with each successive PipWrap set.
- EmptyReload, which controls the time delay before the first reload occurs when the unit is out of ammo.
- ManualReload, which controls whether this unit cannot reload itself, but has to dock with a building; this is not set on aircraft because, unlike other TechnoTypes, it defaults to "yes" for them.
Other Ammo-related flags on objects are.
- DamageReducesReadiness, which tells the game to reduce the amount of available ammo if the unit gets damaged
- PipScale, which in the form of PipScale=Ammo tells the game to show the amount of ammo a unit currently contains.
And also important are:
- UnitReload, which gives buildings the ability to reload units with ManualReload=yes
- ReloadRate, which is the flag in the general section controlling the number of minutes needed to restore one round of ammo on units docked to a building that reloads them.
Example
If a unit was set to
Ammo=10 PipScale=Ammo ReloadIncrement=30% Reload=450 EmptyReload=150 InitialAmmo=1
it would start out with 1 round of ammo when it comes from it's factory. If it shot itself empty, it would take about 10 seconds (on medium game speed) until reloading started. It would then be reloaded by 3 rounds of ammo every 30 seconds, up until it's maximum amount of 10 rounds. This is all visible to the player, because the PipScale is drawn. Note that, in some cases, the unit does not necessarily need to be empty in order to reload itself.
Ammo on Aircraft
- Ammo and reloading on AircraftTypes works as seen in the game, using the manual system.
- Automatic reloading on aircraft does not appear to work.
Ammo on Vehicles
In Tiberian Sun
Ammo works on vehicles, but auto-reloading only works on units with NoMovingFire=yes and only when they are standing still. Furthermore, the time it takes to reload one ammo pip is hardcoded to 450 frames.
Manual reloading is possible via ManualReload.
In Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge
Ammo and auto-reloading on VehicleTypes works perfectly, but manual reloading does not work without AI issues.
Ammo on Infantry
Ammo on Infantry does not work quite to design.
You can give Infantry ammo, but they will not auto-reload until they are damaged. If your soldier runs out of ammo, they will have to be attacked by something in order to kick-start the reloading mechanism. However, no matter what other flags you set, it will just restore the infantry to full ammo.
A partial solution to this problem is to use a "reloader" unit. I.e. a unit with a weapon that only inflicts one point of damage, uses the FireOnce, AttackCursorOnFriendlies and CloseRange tags in conjunction with a very low Range value. The resulting effect is then that the unit moves up close to your unit, and then the "attacked" unit will reload as they take the negligible amount of damage from the reloader's "weapon".
Also note that an infantry can only be reloaded when all of its ammo has been depleted, regardless of how much damage it takes. The reload mechanism will only fire once all of the unit's ammunition has been depleted.
Ammo on Buildings
In Red Alert and Tiberian Sun
Buildings with a weapon and Ammo fire all shots immediately, ignoring ROF between shots. Once all ammo has been expended, the building will fully reload instantly, however the building will wait for the duration of the weapon's ROF before firing again. Reload, if specified, is ignored.
In Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge
Ammo on buildings is rather useless. While it does work, and even reloads, it simply reloads to full ammo as soon as it is out of rounds, meaning that it makes no difference if ammo is defined or not. Your structure won't even stop shooting while reloading.
In addition, if a building with ammo is used to force-fire somewhere, the ROF will be ignored, turning the structure's armament into a rapidly firing weapon.
Ammo on Tech Buildings
Tech Buildings are a special case for ammunition on structures. More specifically, this involves Tech Buildings that have the tag Armory=yes or Hospital=yes. The Ammo tag will then have a different function if one of these tags are present. In this instance, the Ammo tag will control the amount of uses the Tech Building has.
For example, you have a Tech Building with Armory=yes and Ammo=25. The structure will be able to promote infantry 25 times, and then can no longer promote any more infantry.
The EXE file contains a check for when a structure's ammo is depleted. Firstly, the game looks to see if the building has Armory=yes or Hospital=yes, if not its ammo is then simply reset to full.
If you were to give a base defense structre a weapon along with either Armory=yes or Hospital=yes, the structure will empty its clip and not do anything again.
Also note that Ammo is shared with between the structure's weapon, and any applicable Tech Building function. For example, if you have Ammo=5 on a structure with Armory=yes and a Primary weapon, you could perform 5 infantry promotions, or fire 5 rounds, or any combination of the two that totals up to 5.
Fixes in Ares
Version 0.1 of Ares fixes the Ammo logic for InfantryTypes and BuildingTypes; on the latter, Ammo is only reloaded if neither Armory nor Hospital=yes. No change was made on VehicleTypes and AircraftTypes (latter are still hardcoded to require manual reloading).
== Bugs/Side-Effects/Unexpected Limitations=
=- Tag Ammo+Reload+EmptyReloadThat affects ROF of the weapon. (some weapons only)
[LTNK]
Primary=PrismShot
Secondary=DiskLaser
Ammo=1
Reload=1 EmptyReload=180
Although PrismShot There will beROF=1 But attack speed will not increase at all.
But if Ammo=x The first attack will only last so long. [Ammo=10(The first attack will be consecutive 10 times.)]